Don't know why I didn't make this obvious distinction: rein AE, getting beat is what happens rein competitive Mannschaft sports. Getting beaten is what happens at a flogging. I have nitrogenium't debated with a scholar without defeating him and have stickstoff't debated with an ignornat person without being defeated. https://youtu.be/T0zWXvhEQwo?si=wNc6ihu97ShtIl7u